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]]> By: Al Donohue http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/2009/01/16/nj-to-manhattan-rail-tunnel-approved-bergen-county-commuters-to-have-direct-train-access-to-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-1933 Al Donohue Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:03:31 +0000 http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/?p=390#comment-1933 Chris - The way you explain it, it seems like it is obvious that there is a better way to go. What is the motivation for NJT to move forward in a way that makes little sense? What am I misssing? Chris – The way you explain it, it seems like it is obvious that there is a better way to go. What is the motivation for NJT to move forward in a way that makes little sense? What am I misssing?

]]> By: Chris B http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/2009/01/16/nj-to-manhattan-rail-tunnel-approved-bergen-county-commuters-to-have-direct-train-access-to-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-1931 Chris B Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:51:39 +0000 http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/?p=390#comment-1931 Eric's proposal makes a lot more sense than NJT's, but it's too late in the game to change anything. Direct access to GCT was one of the original proposals for the Access to the Regions Core project, but it was dropped for reasons that have yet to be made clear to the public. Myself, I'd love to see the 7 train extended to Secaucus, so Jersey folks would have direct access to the NYC subway system, and New Yorkers would have direct access to the Meadowlands sports complex and Xanadu, but the MTA has no interest in making that happen. The tunnel project as presently planned is a boondoggle of epic proportions. Short-term, it will provide a lot of construction jobs and a boost to the economy, but future generations won't thank us for it. Since the new tunnel doesn't connect to old Penn Station, it offers little by way of redundancy when there's a problem with the old tunnels. Doubling the number of trains into NYC will fill the new tunnels and their inadequate six-track terminal deep under 34th St to capacity, so there will be little if any relief from the congestion and delays that currently plague the system. Further, the proposed one-seat ride relies on high-performance dual-mode locomotives that don't exist anywhere in the world. If the technology was feasible, the Japanese and Germans would be using it already. Even if it does work, Ridgewood commuters should understand that not all trains will go to New York, and you can forget about most of the express service, as NJT will be pressured to make nearly every town a Midtown Direct stop. This is exactly what happened on the Morristown Line when they got their Midtown Direct service a few years back. Commutes slowed for Montclair-Boonton Line passengers when they got their Midtown Direct service, too. A one-seat ride is convenient, but when the trade-off is a slower and less reliable commute, is it really worth it? Eric’s proposal makes a lot more sense than NJT’s, but it’s too late in the game to change anything. Direct access to GCT was one of the original proposals for the Access to the Regions Core project, but it was dropped for reasons that have yet to be made clear to the public. Myself, I’d love to see the 7 train extended to Secaucus, so Jersey folks would have direct access to the NYC subway system, and New Yorkers would have direct access to the Meadowlands sports complex and Xanadu, but the MTA has no interest in making that happen.

The tunnel project as presently planned is a boondoggle of epic proportions. Short-term, it will provide a lot of construction jobs and a boost to the economy, but future generations won’t thank us for it. Since the new tunnel doesn’t connect to old Penn Station, it offers little by way of redundancy when there’s a problem with the old tunnels. Doubling the number of trains into NYC will fill the new tunnels and their inadequate six-track terminal deep under 34th St to capacity, so there will be little if any relief from the congestion and delays that currently plague the system.

Further, the proposed one-seat ride relies on high-performance dual-mode locomotives that don’t exist anywhere in the world. If the technology was feasible, the Japanese and Germans would be using it already. Even if it does work, Ridgewood commuters should understand that not all trains will go to New York, and you can forget about most of the express service, as NJT will be pressured to make nearly every town a Midtown Direct stop. This is exactly what happened on the Morristown Line when they got their Midtown Direct service a few years back. Commutes slowed for Montclair-Boonton Line passengers when they got their Midtown Direct service, too. A one-seat ride is convenient, but when the trade-off is a slower and less reliable commute, is it really worth it?

]]> By: Al Donohue http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/2009/01/16/nj-to-manhattan-rail-tunnel-approved-bergen-county-commuters-to-have-direct-train-access-to-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-1912 Al Donohue Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:40:48 +0000 http://ridgewoodfrontporch.com/?p=390#comment-1912 Eric - This makes a lot of sense to me. Is this something being considered? Eric – This makes a lot of sense to me. Is this something being considered?

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